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Canadian citizen, on US no-fly list. What can I do in order to be allowed on flights which go through US airspace?
Recently naturalized American visiting the UK, previously denied visa. Apply for entry clearance?Do I have the right of being re-routed or compensated if I am discovered in No-Fly list?Will a USA no-fly blacklist prevent Canada passengers from flying domestically?Amtrak train rerouted through final destination of intermodal itinerary — is there any way to avoid backtracking?Was it legal to restrict access to USA when holding a valid ESTA and visiting Canada for 6 months?Applying for other visas after Canadian visa refusal?Texas, USA speed ticket as a European citizen, already left the countryMy Canadian tourist visa got refused because of travel history and personal assetsWhat are my rights if questioned by immigration enforcement on a US domestic flight?Alitalia Delays - landed at final destination with 13 hours delayWhat can you do to preserve a second-leg ticket if you notice that you are not going to be able to fly the first leg?Confidentially bringing medication from Canada to USAHow do I stop a CBSA officer from wasting my time, by falsely alleging that some of my items weren't bought in Canada?
My father and I, both Canadian citizens, were denied to board a direct Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul to Toronto non-stop without any prior warning or information. Literally at the gate, we were told that we were put on a no-fly list by Homeland Security because my father and I own a cargo business together located in eastern Turkey. Apparently the area was suddenly declared a red zone (danger zone) and all business owners in district were put on a no fly list.
The only way we were able to make it back to Canada was via Scandinavian northern routes flying close to the Arctic. Cost thousands of dollars hundreds of hours and and months in moral and mental pain. We even had a issue sending my 1 year old daughter on a flight with her mother to visit Turkey after that I was told my one year old daughters name was put on a no fly list, when i heard this i just felt like fainting and was holding my self not to cry in front of all these people.
On top of all of this even when we are able to fly back and forth via 2-3 stop northern routes to Canada we are now getting interrogated for 4-5 hour periods at our own airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time. Life has been horrible with this issue handicapping us to live our normal lives. We are honest business people that have nothing to do with any illegal acts we have always been law abiding citizens and will continue to do so.
Can anyone Help with this issue, or has anyone ever had any similar experience? Any resolution?
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My father and I, both Canadian citizens, were denied to board a direct Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul to Toronto non-stop without any prior warning or information. Literally at the gate, we were told that we were put on a no-fly list by Homeland Security because my father and I own a cargo business together located in eastern Turkey. Apparently the area was suddenly declared a red zone (danger zone) and all business owners in district were put on a no fly list.
The only way we were able to make it back to Canada was via Scandinavian northern routes flying close to the Arctic. Cost thousands of dollars hundreds of hours and and months in moral and mental pain. We even had a issue sending my 1 year old daughter on a flight with her mother to visit Turkey after that I was told my one year old daughters name was put on a no fly list, when i heard this i just felt like fainting and was holding my self not to cry in front of all these people.
On top of all of this even when we are able to fly back and forth via 2-3 stop northern routes to Canada we are now getting interrogated for 4-5 hour periods at our own airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time. Life has been horrible with this issue handicapping us to live our normal lives. We are honest business people that have nothing to do with any illegal acts we have always been law abiding citizens and will continue to do so.
Can anyone Help with this issue, or has anyone ever had any similar experience? Any resolution?
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@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
Mar 3 at 5:20
3
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
Mar 3 at 5:50
3
Possible option: Fly via Gander International Airport (YQX)
– ikegami
Mar 3 at 19:22
9
@Sean Flights don't necessarily follow the great circle. Particularly over the Atlantic, they often dip quite a bit farther south, depending on wind conditions: if you can reduce the headwind by 50km/h (which you very often can) then covering an extra 200km over the ground on a six-hour flight still saves you the equivalent of 100km of flying. The great circle from IST to YYZ doesn't miss Maine by a whole lot, Toronto is very close to the border and planes may well end up approaching from the south-east or south-west, depending on the weather.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
11
Try contacting your MP's office. They might be able to help out one of their constituents.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
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My father and I, both Canadian citizens, were denied to board a direct Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul to Toronto non-stop without any prior warning or information. Literally at the gate, we were told that we were put on a no-fly list by Homeland Security because my father and I own a cargo business together located in eastern Turkey. Apparently the area was suddenly declared a red zone (danger zone) and all business owners in district were put on a no fly list.
The only way we were able to make it back to Canada was via Scandinavian northern routes flying close to the Arctic. Cost thousands of dollars hundreds of hours and and months in moral and mental pain. We even had a issue sending my 1 year old daughter on a flight with her mother to visit Turkey after that I was told my one year old daughters name was put on a no fly list, when i heard this i just felt like fainting and was holding my self not to cry in front of all these people.
On top of all of this even when we are able to fly back and forth via 2-3 stop northern routes to Canada we are now getting interrogated for 4-5 hour periods at our own airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time. Life has been horrible with this issue handicapping us to live our normal lives. We are honest business people that have nothing to do with any illegal acts we have always been law abiding citizens and will continue to do so.
Can anyone Help with this issue, or has anyone ever had any similar experience? Any resolution?
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My father and I, both Canadian citizens, were denied to board a direct Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul to Toronto non-stop without any prior warning or information. Literally at the gate, we were told that we were put on a no-fly list by Homeland Security because my father and I own a cargo business together located in eastern Turkey. Apparently the area was suddenly declared a red zone (danger zone) and all business owners in district were put on a no fly list.
The only way we were able to make it back to Canada was via Scandinavian northern routes flying close to the Arctic. Cost thousands of dollars hundreds of hours and and months in moral and mental pain. We even had a issue sending my 1 year old daughter on a flight with her mother to visit Turkey after that I was told my one year old daughters name was put on a no fly list, when i heard this i just felt like fainting and was holding my self not to cry in front of all these people.
On top of all of this even when we are able to fly back and forth via 2-3 stop northern routes to Canada we are now getting interrogated for 4-5 hour periods at our own airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time. Life has been horrible with this issue handicapping us to live our normal lives. We are honest business people that have nothing to do with any illegal acts we have always been law abiding citizens and will continue to do so.
Can anyone Help with this issue, or has anyone ever had any similar experience? Any resolution?
usa air-travel canada legal routes
usa air-travel canada legal routes
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@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
Mar 3 at 5:20
3
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
Mar 3 at 5:50
3
Possible option: Fly via Gander International Airport (YQX)
– ikegami
Mar 3 at 19:22
9
@Sean Flights don't necessarily follow the great circle. Particularly over the Atlantic, they often dip quite a bit farther south, depending on wind conditions: if you can reduce the headwind by 50km/h (which you very often can) then covering an extra 200km over the ground on a six-hour flight still saves you the equivalent of 100km of flying. The great circle from IST to YYZ doesn't miss Maine by a whole lot, Toronto is very close to the border and planes may well end up approaching from the south-east or south-west, depending on the weather.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
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Try contacting your MP's office. They might be able to help out one of their constituents.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
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@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
Mar 3 at 5:20
3
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
Mar 3 at 5:50
3
Possible option: Fly via Gander International Airport (YQX)
– ikegami
Mar 3 at 19:22
9
@Sean Flights don't necessarily follow the great circle. Particularly over the Atlantic, they often dip quite a bit farther south, depending on wind conditions: if you can reduce the headwind by 50km/h (which you very often can) then covering an extra 200km over the ground on a six-hour flight still saves you the equivalent of 100km of flying. The great circle from IST to YYZ doesn't miss Maine by a whole lot, Toronto is very close to the border and planes may well end up approaching from the south-east or south-west, depending on the weather.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
11
Try contacting your MP's office. They might be able to help out one of their constituents.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
4
4
@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
Mar 3 at 5:20
@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
Mar 3 at 5:20
3
3
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
Mar 3 at 5:50
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
Mar 3 at 5:50
3
3
Possible option: Fly via Gander International Airport (YQX)
– ikegami
Mar 3 at 19:22
Possible option: Fly via Gander International Airport (YQX)
– ikegami
Mar 3 at 19:22
9
9
@Sean Flights don't necessarily follow the great circle. Particularly over the Atlantic, they often dip quite a bit farther south, depending on wind conditions: if you can reduce the headwind by 50km/h (which you very often can) then covering an extra 200km over the ground on a six-hour flight still saves you the equivalent of 100km of flying. The great circle from IST to YYZ doesn't miss Maine by a whole lot, Toronto is very close to the border and planes may well end up approaching from the south-east or south-west, depending on the weather.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
@Sean Flights don't necessarily follow the great circle. Particularly over the Atlantic, they often dip quite a bit farther south, depending on wind conditions: if you can reduce the headwind by 50km/h (which you very often can) then covering an extra 200km over the ground on a six-hour flight still saves you the equivalent of 100km of flying. The great circle from IST to YYZ doesn't miss Maine by a whole lot, Toronto is very close to the border and planes may well end up approaching from the south-east or south-west, depending on the weather.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
11
11
Try contacting your MP's office. They might be able to help out one of their constituents.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
Try contacting your MP's office. They might be able to help out one of their constituents.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
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As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
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Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
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He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
Mar 2 at 21:34
3
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
Mar 2 at 23:09
12
It would be funny to become a US citizen for the sole purpose of fighting your inclusion in the no-fly list. Would be a good topic for a comedy movie.
– Tom
2 days ago
14
@Tom After seventeen years I became a US citizen for the sole reason of traveling to UK without a visa, after being denied a renewal.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
2 days ago
13
Canadian usage of the US no-fly list causing harm to a Canadian may be possible to challenge in Canadian courts. It might only fix "in airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time"
– Yakk
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Go through the Canadian embassy if you haven't already; if they can't help contact as many Canadian media as you can to raise awareness. If you make a big enough stink they might help you.
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They're not allowed on flights passing through US airspace - what's the Canadian embassy going to do about that?
– Chris H
6 hours ago
1
I was directed to the appropriate governing Ministry. I will be pursing a resolution in the justification Via the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Public safety Canada's Passenger Protect Inquiries Office (PPIO) provides advice and assistance to individuals who have experienced travel delays or difficulties related to aviation security lists.
– Aras Celik
3 hours ago
The asker is a Canadian citizen. Which Canadian embassy are you suggesting they go to?
– David Richerby
13 mins ago
Unfortunately, you will likely find that the Canadian government relies heavily on the US no-fly list for a variety of profiling tasks. I very much doubt you will be able to skip the interrogations while you are still on the no-fly list. Also unfortunately, the current political climate and acute fear of terrorist and dislike of immigrants in the US makes redressing the situation much harder than it should be. Go through the American DHS and get yourself removed from their list if you can. Pretty sure this is the only way out...
– Drunken Code Monkey
11 mins ago
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As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
answered Mar 2 at 22:00
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As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
answered Mar 2 at 22:00
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As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
answered Mar 2 at 22:00
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As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
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Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
answered Mar 2 at 20:43
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He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
Mar 2 at 21:34
3
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
Mar 2 at 23:09
12
It would be funny to become a US citizen for the sole purpose of fighting your inclusion in the no-fly list. Would be a good topic for a comedy movie.
– Tom
2 days ago
14
@Tom After seventeen years I became a US citizen for the sole reason of traveling to UK without a visa, after being denied a renewal.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
2 days ago
13
Canadian usage of the US no-fly list causing harm to a Canadian may be possible to challenge in Canadian courts. It might only fix "in airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time"
– Yakk
yesterday
add a comment |
Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
answered Mar 2 at 20:43
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
24.4k368124
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He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
Mar 2 at 21:34
3
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
Mar 2 at 23:09
12
It would be funny to become a US citizen for the sole purpose of fighting your inclusion in the no-fly list. Would be a good topic for a comedy movie.
– Tom
2 days ago
14
@Tom After seventeen years I became a US citizen for the sole reason of traveling to UK without a visa, after being denied a renewal.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
2 days ago
13
Canadian usage of the US no-fly list causing harm to a Canadian may be possible to challenge in Canadian courts. It might only fix "in airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time"
– Yakk
yesterday
add a comment |
Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
answered Mar 2 at 20:43
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
24.4k368124
Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
answered Mar 2 at 20:43
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
24.4k368124
answered Mar 2 at 20:43
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
24.4k368124
answered Mar 2 at 20:43
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
24.4k368124
answered Mar 2 at 20:43
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
24.4k368124
24.4k368124
32
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
Mar 2 at 21:34
3
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
Mar 2 at 23:09
12
It would be funny to become a US citizen for the sole purpose of fighting your inclusion in the no-fly list. Would be a good topic for a comedy movie.
– Tom
2 days ago
14
@Tom After seventeen years I became a US citizen for the sole reason of traveling to UK without a visa, after being denied a renewal.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
2 days ago
13
Canadian usage of the US no-fly list causing harm to a Canadian may be possible to challenge in Canadian courts. It might only fix "in airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time"
– Yakk
yesterday
add a comment |
32
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
Mar 2 at 21:34
3
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
Mar 2 at 23:09
12
It would be funny to become a US citizen for the sole purpose of fighting your inclusion in the no-fly list. Would be a good topic for a comedy movie.
– Tom
2 days ago
14
@Tom After seventeen years I became a US citizen for the sole reason of traveling to UK without a visa, after being denied a renewal.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
2 days ago
13
Canadian usage of the US no-fly list causing harm to a Canadian may be possible to challenge in Canadian courts. It might only fix "in airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time"
– Yakk
yesterday
32
32
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
Mar 2 at 21:34
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
Mar 2 at 21:34
3
3
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
Mar 2 at 23:09
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
Mar 2 at 23:09
12
12
It would be funny to become a US citizen for the sole purpose of fighting your inclusion in the no-fly list. Would be a good topic for a comedy movie.
– Tom
2 days ago
It would be funny to become a US citizen for the sole purpose of fighting your inclusion in the no-fly list. Would be a good topic for a comedy movie.
– Tom
2 days ago
14
14
@Tom After seventeen years I became a US citizen for the sole reason of traveling to UK without a visa, after being denied a renewal.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
2 days ago
@Tom After seventeen years I became a US citizen for the sole reason of traveling to UK without a visa, after being denied a renewal.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
2 days ago
13
13
Canadian usage of the US no-fly list causing harm to a Canadian may be possible to challenge in Canadian courts. It might only fix "in airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time"
– Yakk
yesterday
Canadian usage of the US no-fly list causing harm to a Canadian may be possible to challenge in Canadian courts. It might only fix "in airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time"
– Yakk
yesterday
add a comment |
Go through the Canadian embassy if you haven't already; if they can't help contact as many Canadian media as you can to raise awareness. If you make a big enough stink they might help you.
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They're not allowed on flights passing through US airspace - what's the Canadian embassy going to do about that?
– Chris H
6 hours ago
1
I was directed to the appropriate governing Ministry. I will be pursing a resolution in the justification Via the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Public safety Canada's Passenger Protect Inquiries Office (PPIO) provides advice and assistance to individuals who have experienced travel delays or difficulties related to aviation security lists.
– Aras Celik
3 hours ago
The asker is a Canadian citizen. Which Canadian embassy are you suggesting they go to?
– David Richerby
13 mins ago
Unfortunately, you will likely find that the Canadian government relies heavily on the US no-fly list for a variety of profiling tasks. I very much doubt you will be able to skip the interrogations while you are still on the no-fly list. Also unfortunately, the current political climate and acute fear of terrorist and dislike of immigrants in the US makes redressing the situation much harder than it should be. Go through the American DHS and get yourself removed from their list if you can. Pretty sure this is the only way out...
– Drunken Code Monkey
11 mins ago
add a comment |
Go through the Canadian embassy if you haven't already; if they can't help contact as many Canadian media as you can to raise awareness. If you make a big enough stink they might help you.
answered 16 hours ago
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They're not allowed on flights passing through US airspace - what's the Canadian embassy going to do about that?
– Chris H
6 hours ago
1
I was directed to the appropriate governing Ministry. I will be pursing a resolution in the justification Via the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Public safety Canada's Passenger Protect Inquiries Office (PPIO) provides advice and assistance to individuals who have experienced travel delays or difficulties related to aviation security lists.
– Aras Celik
3 hours ago
The asker is a Canadian citizen. Which Canadian embassy are you suggesting they go to?
– David Richerby
13 mins ago
Unfortunately, you will likely find that the Canadian government relies heavily on the US no-fly list for a variety of profiling tasks. I very much doubt you will be able to skip the interrogations while you are still on the no-fly list. Also unfortunately, the current political climate and acute fear of terrorist and dislike of immigrants in the US makes redressing the situation much harder than it should be. Go through the American DHS and get yourself removed from their list if you can. Pretty sure this is the only way out...
– Drunken Code Monkey
11 mins ago
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Go through the Canadian embassy if you haven't already; if they can't help contact as many Canadian media as you can to raise awareness. If you make a big enough stink they might help you.
answered 16 hours ago
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Go through the Canadian embassy if you haven't already; if they can't help contact as many Canadian media as you can to raise awareness. If you make a big enough stink they might help you.
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3
They're not allowed on flights passing through US airspace - what's the Canadian embassy going to do about that?
– Chris H
6 hours ago
1
I was directed to the appropriate governing Ministry. I will be pursing a resolution in the justification Via the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Public safety Canada's Passenger Protect Inquiries Office (PPIO) provides advice and assistance to individuals who have experienced travel delays or difficulties related to aviation security lists.
– Aras Celik
3 hours ago
The asker is a Canadian citizen. Which Canadian embassy are you suggesting they go to?
– David Richerby
13 mins ago
Unfortunately, you will likely find that the Canadian government relies heavily on the US no-fly list for a variety of profiling tasks. I very much doubt you will be able to skip the interrogations while you are still on the no-fly list. Also unfortunately, the current political climate and acute fear of terrorist and dislike of immigrants in the US makes redressing the situation much harder than it should be. Go through the American DHS and get yourself removed from their list if you can. Pretty sure this is the only way out...
– Drunken Code Monkey
11 mins ago
add a comment |
3
They're not allowed on flights passing through US airspace - what's the Canadian embassy going to do about that?
– Chris H
6 hours ago
1
I was directed to the appropriate governing Ministry. I will be pursing a resolution in the justification Via the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Public safety Canada's Passenger Protect Inquiries Office (PPIO) provides advice and assistance to individuals who have experienced travel delays or difficulties related to aviation security lists.
– Aras Celik
3 hours ago
The asker is a Canadian citizen. Which Canadian embassy are you suggesting they go to?
– David Richerby
13 mins ago
Unfortunately, you will likely find that the Canadian government relies heavily on the US no-fly list for a variety of profiling tasks. I very much doubt you will be able to skip the interrogations while you are still on the no-fly list. Also unfortunately, the current political climate and acute fear of terrorist and dislike of immigrants in the US makes redressing the situation much harder than it should be. Go through the American DHS and get yourself removed from their list if you can. Pretty sure this is the only way out...
– Drunken Code Monkey
11 mins ago
3
3
They're not allowed on flights passing through US airspace - what's the Canadian embassy going to do about that?
– Chris H
6 hours ago
They're not allowed on flights passing through US airspace - what's the Canadian embassy going to do about that?
– Chris H
6 hours ago
1
1
I was directed to the appropriate governing Ministry. I will be pursing a resolution in the justification Via the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Public safety Canada's Passenger Protect Inquiries Office (PPIO) provides advice and assistance to individuals who have experienced travel delays or difficulties related to aviation security lists.
– Aras Celik
3 hours ago
I was directed to the appropriate governing Ministry. I will be pursing a resolution in the justification Via the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Public safety Canada's Passenger Protect Inquiries Office (PPIO) provides advice and assistance to individuals who have experienced travel delays or difficulties related to aviation security lists.
– Aras Celik
3 hours ago
The asker is a Canadian citizen. Which Canadian embassy are you suggesting they go to?
– David Richerby
13 mins ago
The asker is a Canadian citizen. Which Canadian embassy are you suggesting they go to?
– David Richerby
13 mins ago
Unfortunately, you will likely find that the Canadian government relies heavily on the US no-fly list for a variety of profiling tasks. I very much doubt you will be able to skip the interrogations while you are still on the no-fly list. Also unfortunately, the current political climate and acute fear of terrorist and dislike of immigrants in the US makes redressing the situation much harder than it should be. Go through the American DHS and get yourself removed from their list if you can. Pretty sure this is the only way out...
– Drunken Code Monkey
11 mins ago
Unfortunately, you will likely find that the Canadian government relies heavily on the US no-fly list for a variety of profiling tasks. I very much doubt you will be able to skip the interrogations while you are still on the no-fly list. Also unfortunately, the current political climate and acute fear of terrorist and dislike of immigrants in the US makes redressing the situation much harder than it should be. Go through the American DHS and get yourself removed from their list if you can. Pretty sure this is the only way out...
– Drunken Code Monkey
11 mins ago
add a comment |
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@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
Mar 3 at 5:20
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To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
Mar 3 at 5:50
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Possible option: Fly via Gander International Airport (YQX)
– ikegami
Mar 3 at 19:22
9
@Sean Flights don't necessarily follow the great circle. Particularly over the Atlantic, they often dip quite a bit farther south, depending on wind conditions: if you can reduce the headwind by 50km/h (which you very often can) then covering an extra 200km over the ground on a six-hour flight still saves you the equivalent of 100km of flying. The great circle from IST to YYZ doesn't miss Maine by a whole lot, Toronto is very close to the border and planes may well end up approaching from the south-east or south-west, depending on the weather.
– David Richerby
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Try contacting your MP's office. They might be able to help out one of their constituents.
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