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Why is, for a group scheme of finite type, “smooth” (resp. irreducible) equivalent to “geometrically reduced” (resp. geometrically irreducible)?


Definition of abelian varietyPro-affine varieties over a local fieldIs the pushout of smooth varieties along a smooth closed subvariety again a variety?If $X,Y$ are regular and of finite type over $S$, can $Xtimes _S Y$ be embedded into a regular $S$-scheme? Conjugate surfaces: informations about the orbitsExamples of étale covers of arithmetic surfaces$Bbb A^1$-Localisation of Schemes, and $Bbb A^1$-Rigid SchemesAlbanese variety over non-perfect fieldsGalois invariant line bundles on a product of varietiesschemes vs varieties in abelian varieties and maximal subscheme where line bundle is trivial













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I have some questions about two statements from Bosch's "Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra" about algebraic varieties (page 479). Since I still don't have the permission to add images I quote the relevant excerpt:




...The notion of properness has been introduced in 9.5/4. It means that the
structural morphism $p: A to Spec(K)$ is of finite type, separated, and universally
closed. For the property of smoothness see 8.5/1. It follows from 8.5/15
in conjunction with 2.4/19 that all stalks $mathcalO_A,x$ of a smooth $K$-group scheme $A$
are integral domains. Since abelian varieties are required to be irreducible, they
give rise to integral schemes. Also let us mention that for $K$-group schemes of
finite type smooth is equivalent to geometrically reduced
, which means that all
stalks of the structure sheaf of $A×_K barK$ are reduced. In addition, let us point out
that for $K$-group schemes of finite type the property irreducible can be checked
after base change with $barK/K$
so that we may replace irreducible by geometrically
irreducible...




We fix an abelian variety $A$ over field $K$. By definition an abelian variety over $K$ is a proper smooth $K$-group scheme that is irreducible.



Following two questions:



  1. Why is for a $K$-group scheme of finite type smooth equivalent to geometrically reduced?


  2. Why under same conditions as in 1. (so $K$-group scheme of finite type) the property irreducible is equivlaent to geometrically irreducible?


Remark: Here I previously asked this question in MSE: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3136827/abelian-varieties










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    I took the liberty of changing the title of your question.
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I have some questions about two statements from Bosch's "Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra" about algebraic varieties (page 479). Since I still don't have the permission to add images I quote the relevant excerpt:




...The notion of properness has been introduced in 9.5/4. It means that the
structural morphism $p: A to Spec(K)$ is of finite type, separated, and universally
closed. For the property of smoothness see 8.5/1. It follows from 8.5/15
in conjunction with 2.4/19 that all stalks $mathcalO_A,x$ of a smooth $K$-group scheme $A$
are integral domains. Since abelian varieties are required to be irreducible, they
give rise to integral schemes. Also let us mention that for $K$-group schemes of
finite type smooth is equivalent to geometrically reduced
, which means that all
stalks of the structure sheaf of $A×_K barK$ are reduced. In addition, let us point out
that for $K$-group schemes of finite type the property irreducible can be checked
after base change with $barK/K$
so that we may replace irreducible by geometrically
irreducible...




We fix an abelian variety $A$ over field $K$. By definition an abelian variety over $K$ is a proper smooth $K$-group scheme that is irreducible.



Following two questions:



  1. Why is for a $K$-group scheme of finite type smooth equivalent to geometrically reduced?


  2. Why under same conditions as in 1. (so $K$-group scheme of finite type) the property irreducible is equivlaent to geometrically irreducible?


Remark: Here I previously asked this question in MSE: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3136827/abelian-varieties










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    I took the liberty of changing the title of your question.
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$begingroup$


I have some questions about two statements from Bosch's "Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra" about algebraic varieties (page 479). Since I still don't have the permission to add images I quote the relevant excerpt:




...The notion of properness has been introduced in 9.5/4. It means that the
structural morphism $p: A to Spec(K)$ is of finite type, separated, and universally
closed. For the property of smoothness see 8.5/1. It follows from 8.5/15
in conjunction with 2.4/19 that all stalks $mathcalO_A,x$ of a smooth $K$-group scheme $A$
are integral domains. Since abelian varieties are required to be irreducible, they
give rise to integral schemes. Also let us mention that for $K$-group schemes of
finite type smooth is equivalent to geometrically reduced
, which means that all
stalks of the structure sheaf of $A×_K barK$ are reduced. In addition, let us point out
that for $K$-group schemes of finite type the property irreducible can be checked
after base change with $barK/K$
so that we may replace irreducible by geometrically
irreducible...




We fix an abelian variety $A$ over field $K$. By definition an abelian variety over $K$ is a proper smooth $K$-group scheme that is irreducible.



Following two questions:



  1. Why is for a $K$-group scheme of finite type smooth equivalent to geometrically reduced?


  2. Why under same conditions as in 1. (so $K$-group scheme of finite type) the property irreducible is equivlaent to geometrically irreducible?


Remark: Here I previously asked this question in MSE: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3136827/abelian-varieties










share|cite|improve this question











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I have some questions about two statements from Bosch's "Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra" about algebraic varieties (page 479). Since I still don't have the permission to add images I quote the relevant excerpt:




...The notion of properness has been introduced in 9.5/4. It means that the
structural morphism $p: A to Spec(K)$ is of finite type, separated, and universally
closed. For the property of smoothness see 8.5/1. It follows from 8.5/15
in conjunction with 2.4/19 that all stalks $mathcalO_A,x$ of a smooth $K$-group scheme $A$
are integral domains. Since abelian varieties are required to be irreducible, they
give rise to integral schemes. Also let us mention that for $K$-group schemes of
finite type smooth is equivalent to geometrically reduced
, which means that all
stalks of the structure sheaf of $A×_K barK$ are reduced. In addition, let us point out
that for $K$-group schemes of finite type the property irreducible can be checked
after base change with $barK/K$
so that we may replace irreducible by geometrically
irreducible...




We fix an abelian variety $A$ over field $K$. By definition an abelian variety over $K$ is a proper smooth $K$-group scheme that is irreducible.



Following two questions:



  1. Why is for a $K$-group scheme of finite type smooth equivalent to geometrically reduced?


  2. Why under same conditions as in 1. (so $K$-group scheme of finite type) the property irreducible is equivlaent to geometrically irreducible?


Remark: Here I previously asked this question in MSE: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3136827/abelian-varieties







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    I took the liberty of changing the title of your question.
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    – Piotr Achinger
    Mar 7 at 19:43















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I took the liberty of changing the title of your question.
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Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type.



  1. $G/K$ is smooth if and only if $bar G / bar K$ is smooth. Suppose $bar G$ is reduced, then it has a smooth $bar K$-point $x$ (because we are over an algebraically closed field). But $bar G(bar K)$ acts transitively on itself, so now every closed point of $bar G$ is smooth, so $bar G$ is smooth. (And of course if $bar G$ is smooth then it is reduced.)


  2. The point is that $G$ comes with a section, the neutral element $ein G(K)$. Suppose that $bar G$ is reducible, then since $bar G^rm red$ is reduced and hence smooth, we see that $bar G$ is disconnected. If $bar G^circ$ is the connected component of the neutral element $e$, then since the Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts on $bar G$ preserving $e$, it has to preserve $bar G^circ$, and so $bar G^circ$ descends to give a component of $G$, so $G$ is disconnected.






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  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for your answer. One penible question: When you talk about the $rm Gal(bar K/K)$-action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ do you implicitely mean the action on "points" $barG(barK)= Hom(barK, barG)$ via composing $phi mapsto phi circ g$ for a $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ or the action via "base change" namely that $g$ induces automorphism on $barG$ via $id otimes g$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 21:06











  • $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter I think the latter action induces the former on $bar K$-points. Here it is enough to say that the profinite group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts continuously on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$ of $bar G$ (or just the subspace of closed points $bar G(bar K)$) and the quotient space is identified with $|G|$.
    $endgroup$
    – Piotr Achinger
    Mar 7 at 22:56










  • $begingroup$
    But what is concretely the "canonical" action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 23:36










  • $begingroup$
    The argument in the answer that the identity component of $G$ over the algebraic closure of $K$ is defined over $K$ applies only in characteristic zero. Otherwise the proof is more difficult.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 7:01






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    @Karl_Peter See Section b of Chapter 1 of Milne: Algebraic Groups, The theory of group schemes of finite type over a field, Cambridge UP, 2017.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 19:20











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Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type.



  1. $G/K$ is smooth if and only if $bar G / bar K$ is smooth. Suppose $bar G$ is reduced, then it has a smooth $bar K$-point $x$ (because we are over an algebraically closed field). But $bar G(bar K)$ acts transitively on itself, so now every closed point of $bar G$ is smooth, so $bar G$ is smooth. (And of course if $bar G$ is smooth then it is reduced.)


  2. The point is that $G$ comes with a section, the neutral element $ein G(K)$. Suppose that $bar G$ is reducible, then since $bar G^rm red$ is reduced and hence smooth, we see that $bar G$ is disconnected. If $bar G^circ$ is the connected component of the neutral element $e$, then since the Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts on $bar G$ preserving $e$, it has to preserve $bar G^circ$, and so $bar G^circ$ descends to give a component of $G$, so $G$ is disconnected.






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  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for your answer. One penible question: When you talk about the $rm Gal(bar K/K)$-action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ do you implicitely mean the action on "points" $barG(barK)= Hom(barK, barG)$ via composing $phi mapsto phi circ g$ for a $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ or the action via "base change" namely that $g$ induces automorphism on $barG$ via $id otimes g$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 21:06











  • $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter I think the latter action induces the former on $bar K$-points. Here it is enough to say that the profinite group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts continuously on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$ of $bar G$ (or just the subspace of closed points $bar G(bar K)$) and the quotient space is identified with $|G|$.
    $endgroup$
    – Piotr Achinger
    Mar 7 at 22:56










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    But what is concretely the "canonical" action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 23:36










  • $begingroup$
    The argument in the answer that the identity component of $G$ over the algebraic closure of $K$ is defined over $K$ applies only in characteristic zero. Otherwise the proof is more difficult.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 7:01






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter See Section b of Chapter 1 of Milne: Algebraic Groups, The theory of group schemes of finite type over a field, Cambridge UP, 2017.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 19:20















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$begingroup$

Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type.



  1. $G/K$ is smooth if and only if $bar G / bar K$ is smooth. Suppose $bar G$ is reduced, then it has a smooth $bar K$-point $x$ (because we are over an algebraically closed field). But $bar G(bar K)$ acts transitively on itself, so now every closed point of $bar G$ is smooth, so $bar G$ is smooth. (And of course if $bar G$ is smooth then it is reduced.)


  2. The point is that $G$ comes with a section, the neutral element $ein G(K)$. Suppose that $bar G$ is reducible, then since $bar G^rm red$ is reduced and hence smooth, we see that $bar G$ is disconnected. If $bar G^circ$ is the connected component of the neutral element $e$, then since the Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts on $bar G$ preserving $e$, it has to preserve $bar G^circ$, and so $bar G^circ$ descends to give a component of $G$, so $G$ is disconnected.






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  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for your answer. One penible question: When you talk about the $rm Gal(bar K/K)$-action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ do you implicitely mean the action on "points" $barG(barK)= Hom(barK, barG)$ via composing $phi mapsto phi circ g$ for a $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ or the action via "base change" namely that $g$ induces automorphism on $barG$ via $id otimes g$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 21:06











  • $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter I think the latter action induces the former on $bar K$-points. Here it is enough to say that the profinite group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts continuously on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$ of $bar G$ (or just the subspace of closed points $bar G(bar K)$) and the quotient space is identified with $|G|$.
    $endgroup$
    – Piotr Achinger
    Mar 7 at 22:56










  • $begingroup$
    But what is concretely the "canonical" action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 23:36










  • $begingroup$
    The argument in the answer that the identity component of $G$ over the algebraic closure of $K$ is defined over $K$ applies only in characteristic zero. Otherwise the proof is more difficult.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 7:01






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter See Section b of Chapter 1 of Milne: Algebraic Groups, The theory of group schemes of finite type over a field, Cambridge UP, 2017.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 19:20













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$begingroup$

Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type.



  1. $G/K$ is smooth if and only if $bar G / bar K$ is smooth. Suppose $bar G$ is reduced, then it has a smooth $bar K$-point $x$ (because we are over an algebraically closed field). But $bar G(bar K)$ acts transitively on itself, so now every closed point of $bar G$ is smooth, so $bar G$ is smooth. (And of course if $bar G$ is smooth then it is reduced.)


  2. The point is that $G$ comes with a section, the neutral element $ein G(K)$. Suppose that $bar G$ is reducible, then since $bar G^rm red$ is reduced and hence smooth, we see that $bar G$ is disconnected. If $bar G^circ$ is the connected component of the neutral element $e$, then since the Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts on $bar G$ preserving $e$, it has to preserve $bar G^circ$, and so $bar G^circ$ descends to give a component of $G$, so $G$ is disconnected.






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Let $G/K$ be a group scheme of finite type.



  1. $G/K$ is smooth if and only if $bar G / bar K$ is smooth. Suppose $bar G$ is reduced, then it has a smooth $bar K$-point $x$ (because we are over an algebraically closed field). But $bar G(bar K)$ acts transitively on itself, so now every closed point of $bar G$ is smooth, so $bar G$ is smooth. (And of course if $bar G$ is smooth then it is reduced.)


  2. The point is that $G$ comes with a section, the neutral element $ein G(K)$. Suppose that $bar G$ is reducible, then since $bar G^rm red$ is reduced and hence smooth, we see that $bar G$ is disconnected. If $bar G^circ$ is the connected component of the neutral element $e$, then since the Galois group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts on $bar G$ preserving $e$, it has to preserve $bar G^circ$, and so $bar G^circ$ descends to give a component of $G$, so $G$ is disconnected.







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  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for your answer. One penible question: When you talk about the $rm Gal(bar K/K)$-action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ do you implicitely mean the action on "points" $barG(barK)= Hom(barK, barG)$ via composing $phi mapsto phi circ g$ for a $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ or the action via "base change" namely that $g$ induces automorphism on $barG$ via $id otimes g$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 21:06











  • $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter I think the latter action induces the former on $bar K$-points. Here it is enough to say that the profinite group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts continuously on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$ of $bar G$ (or just the subspace of closed points $bar G(bar K)$) and the quotient space is identified with $|G|$.
    $endgroup$
    – Piotr Achinger
    Mar 7 at 22:56










  • $begingroup$
    But what is concretely the "canonical" action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 23:36










  • $begingroup$
    The argument in the answer that the identity component of $G$ over the algebraic closure of $K$ is defined over $K$ applies only in characteristic zero. Otherwise the proof is more difficult.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 7:01






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter See Section b of Chapter 1 of Milne: Algebraic Groups, The theory of group schemes of finite type over a field, Cambridge UP, 2017.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 19:20
















  • $begingroup$
    Thank you for your answer. One penible question: When you talk about the $rm Gal(bar K/K)$-action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ do you implicitely mean the action on "points" $barG(barK)= Hom(barK, barG)$ via composing $phi mapsto phi circ g$ for a $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ or the action via "base change" namely that $g$ induces automorphism on $barG$ via $id otimes g$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 21:06











  • $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter I think the latter action induces the former on $bar K$-points. Here it is enough to say that the profinite group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts continuously on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$ of $bar G$ (or just the subspace of closed points $bar G(bar K)$) and the quotient space is identified with $|G|$.
    $endgroup$
    – Piotr Achinger
    Mar 7 at 22:56










  • $begingroup$
    But what is concretely the "canonical" action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$?
    $endgroup$
    – Karl_Peter
    Mar 7 at 23:36










  • $begingroup$
    The argument in the answer that the identity component of $G$ over the algebraic closure of $K$ is defined over $K$ applies only in characteristic zero. Otherwise the proof is more difficult.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 7:01






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Karl_Peter See Section b of Chapter 1 of Milne: Algebraic Groups, The theory of group schemes of finite type over a field, Cambridge UP, 2017.
    $endgroup$
    – anon
    Mar 9 at 19:20















$begingroup$
Thank you for your answer. One penible question: When you talk about the $rm Gal(bar K/K)$-action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ do you implicitely mean the action on "points" $barG(barK)= Hom(barK, barG)$ via composing $phi mapsto phi circ g$ for a $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ or the action via "base change" namely that $g$ induces automorphism on $barG$ via $id otimes g$?
$endgroup$
– Karl_Peter
Mar 7 at 21:06





$begingroup$
Thank you for your answer. One penible question: When you talk about the $rm Gal(bar K/K)$-action on $bar G = G otimes barK$ do you implicitely mean the action on "points" $barG(barK)= Hom(barK, barG)$ via composing $phi mapsto phi circ g$ for a $g in rm Gal(bar K/K)$ or the action via "base change" namely that $g$ induces automorphism on $barG$ via $id otimes g$?
$endgroup$
– Karl_Peter
Mar 7 at 21:06













$begingroup$
@Karl_Peter I think the latter action induces the former on $bar K$-points. Here it is enough to say that the profinite group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts continuously on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$ of $bar G$ (or just the subspace of closed points $bar G(bar K)$) and the quotient space is identified with $|G|$.
$endgroup$
– Piotr Achinger
Mar 7 at 22:56




$begingroup$
@Karl_Peter I think the latter action induces the former on $bar K$-points. Here it is enough to say that the profinite group $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ acts continuously on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$ of $bar G$ (or just the subspace of closed points $bar G(bar K)$) and the quotient space is identified with $|G|$.
$endgroup$
– Piotr Achinger
Mar 7 at 22:56












$begingroup$
But what is concretely the "canonical" action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$?
$endgroup$
– Karl_Peter
Mar 7 at 23:36




$begingroup$
But what is concretely the "canonical" action of $rm Gal(bar K/K)$ on the underlying topological space $|bar G|$?
$endgroup$
– Karl_Peter
Mar 7 at 23:36












$begingroup$
The argument in the answer that the identity component of $G$ over the algebraic closure of $K$ is defined over $K$ applies only in characteristic zero. Otherwise the proof is more difficult.
$endgroup$
– anon
Mar 9 at 7:01




$begingroup$
The argument in the answer that the identity component of $G$ over the algebraic closure of $K$ is defined over $K$ applies only in characteristic zero. Otherwise the proof is more difficult.
$endgroup$
– anon
Mar 9 at 7:01




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$begingroup$
@Karl_Peter See Section b of Chapter 1 of Milne: Algebraic Groups, The theory of group schemes of finite type over a field, Cambridge UP, 2017.
$endgroup$
– anon
Mar 9 at 19:20




$begingroup$
@Karl_Peter See Section b of Chapter 1 of Milne: Algebraic Groups, The theory of group schemes of finite type over a field, Cambridge UP, 2017.
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